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Assessment of Desktop Computer Backup Methods

 

Overview

After getting a new machine, my hard disks appear to be getting faster and faster. this may be due to windows disk caching, or the caching technology on the drive getting better, or the fact that I have upgraded my BIOS, or the fact that my hard disk controller BIOS is being updated. not sure what. but it's notably faster than my old 2004 desktop, and faster than when I first bought my i7-3970x for development and general use purposes. or it may just be a bug i my program, or it may be due to the microcode updates to the processor. or all of the above. at one point without the radom number generator I was getting 358MB/s (yowza!) - oh I had disk compression turned on..., but I made that part work again and I got 80MB/s (still pretty good). used to be 14-18MB/s. hmm.apparently disk compression causes a disk speed increase. (without compression I get 358MB/s).

Backup is something a lot of people avoid or dread, especially software developers, but sometimes it can be SO necessary. times when you would need to do a backup:

  • just before reinstalling an OS or after installing an OS - if you have any previous pictures or videos or music or itunes apps
  • periodic full backups of developer's data there are less intensive schemes
  • if you have a database server you should perform regular hot backups
  • when you get the idea in your head (then you probably should)
  • after about 1-3 years of using a windows computer. unrepairable filesystem corruption occurs after about 3-4 years even with proactive system maintenance by a software engineer/electronics guy/computer repairman, just by using the computer, hard poweroffs or power outages, times when the cpu cooler needs cleaning, etc. windows is also an unstable OS, it doesn't last a week without a serious need for a reboot. I kept a machine running for 5 years, but I should have reinstalled the OS much sooner than this I discovered. This was XP Pro.

Backup Costs Estimator

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Example: 6:TiB, 20,000Photos, 50:kPNG, 50,000RAW+JPEG, 1:Msongs,


costs summary of backing up data: 3/18/2013
(* indicates this technology has not completely out for sale yet) UPDATED:12/25/2014
solution media size num media req'd media bytes/sec 1 whole media backup DTime tot backup DTime for backup size $ media pack qty per media pack $tot media $tot drive cost $tot drive + media qty media packs required
32TB Ultrium-8 Tape* 1 00:00:00:000 00:00:00:000 $0 $0 0
16TB Ultrium-7 Tape* 1 00:00:00:000 00:00:00:000 $0 $0 0
6.25TB LTO Ultrium-6 Tape 1 00:00:00:000 00:00:00:000 $0 $0 0
3TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape 1 00:00:00:000 00:00:00:000 $0 $0 0
1.6TB DLT Tape 2 00:00:00:000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
2.5TB Folio Photonics DataFilm Disc (DFD) Storage 2 00:00:00.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
1TB Sony/Panasonic Optical Archival Storage 2 00:79:0.740 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
500GB Sony/Panasonic Optical Archival Storage 2 00:39:30.370 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
300GB Sony/Panasonic Optical Archival Storage 2 00:23:42.222 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
1TB GE Holographic Storage 2 00:192:00 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
500GB GE Holographic Storage 4 00:96:00 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
1TiB BD-R * 2x? 10 02:11:28.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
500GiB BD-R * 2x? 10 02:11:28.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
400GiB BD-R * 2x? 10 02:11:28.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
200GiB BD-R * 2x? 10 02:11:28.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
128GiB BD-R XL 2x 15 01:24:08.320 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
100GiB BDXL (5-pack) 4x or this single 19 01:05:44.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
50GiB BD-R DL 6x 37 00:32:52.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
25GiB BD-R SL 4x 74 00:16:26.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
25GiB BD-R SL Blu-Ray MDisc 4x (archival/shreddable) 6x? 74 00:16:26.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
8.5GB DVD DL 8x 236 00:27:19.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
4.7GB DVD-R JVC ISO archival-grade 16x 426 00:15:09.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
4.7GB DVD-R 16x 426 00:15:09.000 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
700MiB CDRW 4x 2725 00:01:45.625 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
700MiB CD-R 40x normal 2725 00:01:45.625 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
700MiB CD-R 40x silver thermal archival 2725 00:01:45.625 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
650MiB CD-R 40x silver thermal archival 2725 00:01:45.625 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
Intel DC S3500 Series SSDSC2BB800G401 800GB 2.5in SATA3 MLC Enterprise SSD 1 00:28:48.791 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
Crucial M550 CT1024M550SSD1 1TB 2.5" SATA3 MLC Enterprise SSD 1 00:14:24.395 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
HGST 10TB HD 7.2KRPM 1 03:42:57.926 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
6TB HD 7.2KRPM 1 03:42:57.926 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
4TB HD 7.2KRPM 1 03:42:57.926 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
3TB HD 7.2KRPM 1 02:47:13.444 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
2TB HD 7.2KRPM 1 01:51:28.963 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0
1TB HD 7.2KRPM 2 00:55:44.481 00:00:00.000 $0 $0 0

canned speeds:

backup solutions

don't know if there are any special rules about working with LTO tapes. never worked with them before. there don't seem to be any cleaning tapes available, but the drive has a "clean" led, so I guess it cleans itself?

there are any special rules about working with DLT tapes. If you don't put the loop in the correct position and tension the tape, the drive will suck the loop in and miss the catch, and you will have to send the drive in for service to get the tape extricated. and it happens VERY EASILY. takes practice. not my favorite tape. there are cleaning tapes too.

here is a list of backup solutions and their Pros and Cons from what I can tell.


3TB(1.6TB) or 6.25TB(3TB) LTO Ultrium Tape

pros

  • can use windows' built-in ntbackup.exe to backup system, but not very flexible.
  • very low media costs
  • higher data density than DLT
  • built-in auto cleaning? need to verify this...
  • 2 tapes

cons

  • expensive startup costs, but lower startup cost than DLT (not by much)

1.6TB DLT Tape

pros

  • can use windows' built-in ntbackup.exe to backup system, but not very flexible.
  • very low media costs
  • 2 tapes

cons

  • VERY expensive startup costs
  • had problems with lower-end DLT tapes where loop would get sucked into the tape making it useless, or get stuck in the drive requiring sending the drive to the manufacturer to repair. happened every few months with the autochanger.
  • setting up the tape (loop) for tape insertion requires special handling and precision in order for the drive to catch the loop. I forget what the rules are, but a certain amount of the loop had to be sticking out.

128GB BDXL Blu-Ray

pros

  • fewer disc changes than DL DVD
  • storage is compact

cons

  • 15 discs is very expensive. at time of this writing, one 100GB is $65, costing you a total of $975, the cost of an LTO tape drive.
  • takes hours of burn time per disc.
  • no inexpensive backup programs, or no REAL backup programs available for backing up whole system, at least for XP. no backup program except the one built into windows! 50/50 chance of it working with blu-ray media.

100GB BDXL Blu-Ray

pros

  • fewer disc changes than DL DVD
  • storage is compact

cons

  • 20 discs is very expensive. at time of this writing, one 100GB is $65, costing you a total of $975, the cost of an LTO tape drive.
  • takes hours of burn time per disc.
  • no inexpensive backup programs, or no REAL backup programs available for backing up whole system, at least for XP. no backup program except the one built into windows! 50/50 chance of it working with blu-ray media.

50GB BDXL Blu-Ray

pros

  • fewer disc changes than DL DVD
  • storage is compact

cons

  • 20 discs is very expensive. at time of this writing, one 100GB is $65, costing you a total of $975, the cost of an LTO tape drive.
  • takes hours of burn time per disc.
  • no inexpensive backup programs, or no REAL backup programs available for backing up whole system, at least for XP. no backup program except the one built into windows! 50/50 chance of it working with blu-ray media.

25GB Blu-Ray

pros

  • fewer disc changes than DL DVD
  • storage is compact

cons

  • 80 discs? that is a too much to ask. you had better have an auto-changer.
  • takes hours of burn time per disc.
  • no inexpensive backup programs, or no REAL backup programs available for backing up whole system, at least for XP. no backup program except the one built into windows! 50/50 chance of it working with DL media.

8.5GB DVD DL

pros

  • very low startup cost
  • storage is compact

cons

  • over 200 discs? you've got to be kidding! you had better have an auto-changer.
  • VERY expensive media
  • no inexpensive backup programs, or no REAL backup programs available for backing up whole system, at least for XP. no backup program except the one built into windows! 50/50 chance of it working with DL media.

4.7GB DVD

pros

  • very low startup cost
  • inexpensive REAL backup program available for XP.
  • inexpensive media
  • storage is compact

cons

  • over 400 discs? you've got to be kidding! you had better have an auto-changer.

2TB HD

pros

  • can do backup in one sweep
  • can do image backups
  • can be always online
  • lasts for 5-7 years worth of online time

cons

  • susceptible to vibration and "drop" damage
  • not made for constant plugging-unplugging. get a hot-swap or removable drive bay. (extra costs there)

ge holographic storage 500GB is in research stages but should take 97 min. and TDK has a prototype BDR 200GB disc at this point.

7/29/2012: BD-R: for vista/7 only. is assuming 12x burners but 6x speed discs for Taiyo-Yuden BDR-SL, 6x speed BDR-DL microboards discs.

7/29/2012: DVD-R DL: for vista/7 only. is assuming 12x burners but 6x speed discs for Taiyo-Yuden BDR-SL, 6x speed BDR-DL microboards discs.

7/29/2012: DVD-R: is assuming 12x burners but 6x speed discs for Taiyo-Yuden BDR-SL, 6x speed BDR-DL microboards discs.

7/29/2012: CD-R: is assuming 12x burners but 6x speed discs for Taiyo-Yuden BDR-SL, 6x speed BDR-DL microboards discs.

LTO 1.6TB tape outlay $3249.99+15.18+$48.99+6.29+$96.89+5.99+$39.99+5.99+$189.99+6.98=$3666.28

LTO 3TB tape outlay $2749.99+13.45+$54.96+6.29+$64.99+6.69+$309.99+6.98=$3213.34

6.25TB LTO Tape
HP SAS LTO Ultrium-6 tape drives, available from hp.com $4000-$5700
1/9/2013
3TB LTO Tape
Tandberg 3520-LTO Black 3TB External SAS 600 - SCSI Interface LTO Ultrium 5 Tape Drive, available from newegg.com $2,359.99+$9.07
12/10/2011
Ultrium 5 data cartridges, available from newegg.com $59-$90
12/10/2011. 3TB tapes (1.6TB)
Ultrium cleaning, available from newegg.com $53.20+6.29
12/10/2011
Adaptec 1045 Series 1 non-RAID Unified Serial HBAs offer economical I/O with broad device compatibility, scalability, and flexibility for servers, storage, and backup applications , available from adaptec.com $190
12/10/2011. 4 external SAS ports, low profile, non-RAID.
SAS cable, available from newegg.com $20-$23
12/10/2011
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
Symantec (formerly Arcada) Backup Exec Server and clients for windows, available from newegg.com $617-779
also available for MS SQL Server.
36TB(18TB native) LTO Tape Library
Tandberg 2480-LTO 36TB Data StorageLibrary Tape Library - 1 x Drive/12 x Slot - LTO Ultrium 5, available from newegg.com $4,527.99
12/10/2011. ultrium 5, so uses 3TB tapes.
Ultrium 5 data cartridges, available from newegg.com $59-$90
12/10/2011. 3TB tapes (1.6TB)
Ultrium cleaning, available from newegg.com $53.20+6.29
12/10/2011
Adaptec 1045 Series 1 non-RAID Unified Serial HBAs offer economical I/O with broad device compatibility, scalability, and flexibility for servers, storage, and backup applications , available from adaptec.com $190
12/10/2011. 4 external SAS ports, low profile, non-RAID.
SAS cable, available from newegg.com $20-$23
12/10/2011
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
Symantec (formerly Arcada) Backup Exec Server and clients for windows, available from newegg.com $617-779
also available for MS SQL Server.
1.6TB LTO Tape
Tandberg 3504-LTO Black 1.6TB Internal SAS Interface LTO Ultrium 4 Tape Drive, available from newegg.com $1,457.99
12/10/2011
Adaptec 1045 Series 1 non-RAID Unified Serial HBAs offer economical I/O with broad device compatibility, scalability, and flexibility for servers, storage, and backup applications , available from adaptec.com $190
12/10/2011. 4 external SAS ports, low profile, non-RAID.
SAS cable, available from newegg.com $20-$23
12/10/2011
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
Symantec (formerly Arcada) Backup Exec Server and clients for windows, available from newegg.com $617-779
also available for MS SQL Server.
50GB DL BD-RE Blu-Ray Disc
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA Model WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM, available from newegg.com $109.99
12/10/2011
Verbatim BD-R DL 50GB, 6X Branded in Jewel Case, available from mediasupply.com $32.70/3
12/10/2011. consider: takes 6 hours to do (1) 25GB disc. cost to do 2TB is $436, and you would have to pay that over and over again every time you back up.
BD-RE DL 50GB, available from mediasupply.com $13.99/1
12/10/2011. single disc
bootable drive image backup to blu-ray (including 50GB blu-ray DL). also can upgrade hard disks. I have not tested this program for upgrading hard disks.
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
25GB SL BD-R Blu-Ray M-Disc (archival write-once)
supposed to last for 1000 years, made with rock-like material and can be burned in a normal blu-ray burner. no special drive required like the 4.7GiB regular m-disc which is released, but the blu-ray version is not out yet as of 9/12/2013.
9/12/2013
8.5GB DVD+R DL disc
high turnover on these things. drives are cheap.
Verbatim Dl DVD 8.5GB, available from newegg.com $24-48
12/20/2011. some are 8x and some are 2.4x.
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache EIDE/ATAPI 22X DVDR DVD Burner - OEM, available from newegg.com $24.99+$6.98
Verbatim DVD+R DL 8.5GB 2.4X(up to 6x) White Inkjet Spindle 95123, available from $39.80/20
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
4.7GB DVD+R disc
high turnover on these things. drives are cheap. free shipping on discs.
DVD+DL burner drives, available from newegg.com $24-48
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache EIDE/ATAPI 22X DVDR DVD Burner - OEM, available from newegg.com $24.99+$6.98
Symantec Norton Save & Restore, available from Symantec.com $49.99
Symantec has a bad habit of dropping their lesser-known products. keep your software package around! Backs up to almost any media, (CDR/RW,DVD+-R/RW, USB and FireWire (IEEE 1394) storage devices, Iomega Zip and Jaz drives). Backs up the entire contents of your drive, or just the files and folders you select. encryption. incremental backups. XP/Vista.
Taiyo Yuden 8x 4.7GB DVD+R Silver Lacquer, available from mediasupply.com $35.90/100
cake box
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer editions, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.
2TB hard drive
Western Digital 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive, available from newegg.com
Western Digital 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive, available from newegg.com
Western Digital WD2003FYYS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive, available from newegg.com $249.99+$7.86
I like this drive.
Backup/drive upgrade Software
NTiBackup 5.5 Advanced, available from novastor.com $59.95
backup to Hard Drive/CD/DVD/Blu-ray/Pen Drive/NAS/Network Drive/FTP Server with drive spanning (multiple drives). they have a variety of backup packages available, including tape, sql, server, data center, pc, etc.
z-dbackup, available from novastor.com 32 EUR ($41.688)
backup to blu-ray/disc/tape/usbflash/ discs with drive spanning (multiple drives). they have a variety of backup packages available, including tape, sql, server, data center, pc, etc.
NovaBackup, available from novastor.com $49.95/1computer
they have a variety of backup packages available, including tape, sql, server, data center, pc, etc.
Symantec Backup Exec, available from symantec.com $1162.66-$1597.48
this is for client-server
backup4all, available from backup4all.com $49.95
can backup to any kind of disc media, network drive, ftp,or usb drive or flash drive with zip64 compression. plugins for backing up specific popular programs. 30-day trial.
Casper 7.0, available from fssdev.com $
does backups and drive copies/upgrades, even across disparate sector sizes. minor version updates are free, major version changes require you to buy new version (as with most companies). uses volume shadow copy service
Norton Ghost, available from symantec.com $69.99
does backups and drive copies, even across disparate sector sizes. offers cold backup. cannot duplicate/upgrade a drive that has differing sector sizes. uses volume shadow copy service.
Mozy.com online backup, available from mozy.com $5.99/mo-$13.98/mo
this is the same backup used inside many antivirus packages as a 2GB limit cloud backup. so they will probably conflict.
egnyte, available from egnyte.com $30/mo or so
Enterprise services
ntbackup.exe
built into the OS (on the cd for XP home). originally meant to backup to tape and floppy. on newer versions of windows, can I think use removable media including maybe JAZ and ZIP (not cost effective) and even optical media.